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Keskusteluja Dalai Laman kanssa 5

Keskusteluja Dalai Laman kanssa 5                               3.3.12

DL: It is important that when pursing our own self-interest we should be “wise selfish” and not “foolish selfish”. Being foolish selfish means pursuing our own interests in a narrow, shortsighted way. Being wise selfish means taking a broader view and recognizing that our own long-term individual interest lies in the welfare of everyone. Being wise selfish means being compassionate.

JH: Wise selfish means, that when we buy things, we always think that when it was manufactured, how it  has influenced to the nature: earth, water, air, because that influences to the lives of other people in the long run. Fool selfish buys things which make good to his/her ego, but destroys the balance of nature.


DL: When we are angry we are blind to reality. Anger may bring us a temporary burst of energy, but that energy is blind and it blocks the part of our brain that distinguishes right from wrong. To deal with our problems, we need to be practical and realistic. If we are to be realistic, we need to use our human intelligence properly, which means we need a calm mind.

JH: Why we in western world are so eager to hate, but not eager to love??? One cause is that in capitalistic world we are used to compete with each other. Your profit is an others loss.  Specially in business life, but also in work and in home. We must have better things than our neighbor. The task of relatives have given to authorities and they are not paid to love their customers..
The worst hate is that one which says that I have right religion and you don’t. It is in Islamic world is the biggest reason for terrorism and wars. Although for ex Jewish, Christian and Muslim people have very much common in their religions.  


DL: A lot of the problems we face are essentially man-made, so naturally as human beings we should also be able to reduce them. Natural disasters, of course, are in a different category, but according to environmental scientists even they may owe something to human behaviour. Therefore, if we are optimistic, take a longer view, and we employ realistic methods, we can contribute to making the world a better place.

JH: And human behavior is the reason to that situation where nature is now. Nature shows its power, we have not tamed it. We are part of it. On the contrary, we have more and more severe natural catastrophes nowadays. I believe that everything is energy, and that’s why nature has same kind of behavior as we have. Nature is all the time on that high energy level, most of human beings are not. That’s why we destroy the world, the world of our children.  Also human beings have to have longer view as the nature has. Only with longer view we can save nature – and ourselves.


DL: Education and knowledge by themselves do not bring inner peace to individuals, families or the society in which they live. But education combined with warmheartedness, a sense of concern for the well-being of others, has much more positive results. If you have a great deal of knowledge, but you're governed by negative emotions, then you tend to use your knowledge in negative ways. Therefore, while you learning, don't forget the importance of warmheartedness.

JH: In western world we have first to understand what we are doing, or where we are going. To be a Buddhist means understanding and education helps with it. To some people the purity of the lineage  is the most important thing, not to make Buddhism easy to understand to westerners. Education is not enough, but warmheartedness alone is enough. It is not matter of religion, but religion helps to be warmhearted. Like Jesus or Buddha. Againin Christianity the problem is, that Christianity is not founded by Jesus (40 years later), and in Bible is more the words of man than Jesus. Jesus believed in reincarnation and he did not speak of the Last Judgement, or did not gave mission order. Without the Bible the Christianity is the religion of love.


DL: When each of us learns to appreciate the critical importance of ethics and makes inner values like compassion and patience an integral part of our basic outlook on life, the effects will be far-reaching.

I need patience to learn compassion  Ethics is social, community, concept. If we have to take responsibility of what is happening outside us (nature), also then the effects are far reaching. And again - these acts comes out of compassion and patience.


DL: The practice of patience protects us from losing our composure. In doing that it enables us to exercise discernment, even in the heat of difficult situations. It gives us inner space. And within that space we gain a degree of self-control, which allows us to respond to situations in an appropriate and compassionate manner rather than being driven by our anger and irritation.

JH: Patience means that first you think and act only after that. Have you had that same sensation, hate, earlier? What kind of feelings aroused now, again hate? Is hate valid anymore in this situation? Is it so, that a man have hurt you earlier, and this man look like him but is entirely different man? Self-control is to me control of these kind of feelings. The best medicine is to keep our mind in the state of compassion and happiness. Then we don’t have bad feelings to other people. You have to start the work with yourself inside, but then the energy of happiness helps you outside.