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Keskusteluja  Dalai Laman kanssa                        20.10.11


Dalai Lama kirjoittelee Facebookkiin säännöllisesti viisauksia. Hän saa yleensä 1000- 2000 kommenttia ja vajaa 30~000 tykkäämistä. Olen yrittänyt jatkaa ja kommnetoida hänen ajatuksiaan, joten olkaa hyvä.

DL: If indeed the qualities such as love, patience, tolerance, and forgiveness are what happiness consists in, and if it is also true that compassion, defined as concern for others, is both the source and the fruit of these qualities, then the more we are compassionate, the more we provide for our own happiness.

JH: Happiness is energy which is everywhere, especially in nature. And we all have possibility to find that energy of happiness.


DL:  Although the world's religions may differ fundamentally from one other in their metaphysical views, when it comes to their teachings on the actual practice of ethics, there is great convergence. All the faith traditions emphasize a virtuous way of being, the purification of the mind from negative thoughts and impulses, the doing of good deeds, and living a meaningful life.

JH: I just wrote an article to the newspaper of this matter. The Christianity is not the only right religion in the world. There are only different roads, but the goal is the same.


DL: Everybody wants a happy life. But sometimes people, in order to achieve a happy and successful life, rely entirely on external means like money and power. I think this is a mistake. Ultimately, the source of happiness and joyfulness is within ourselves. And once our mind is more calm and joyful, then our activities can be more effective.

JH: Sometimes it is needed difficulties to learn how to find happiness.


DL: I feel that an individual whose actions are motivated by the wish to bring others happiness necessarily meets with less misfortune that one who does not. Sickness, old age, mishaps of one sort or another are the same for us all. But the sufferings which undermine our internal peace - anxiety, doubt, disappointment - these are definitely less.

JH: I believe, that there are no misfortune, only practice. Everything has its meaning. But it is true, on the spiritual road the misfortune decreases, when we go towards the primary wisdom, to the cosmic energy. Happiness is one feature of the primary wisdom.

His Holiness the Dalai Lama talks about importance of self love for developing compassion for others during his talk on "Ethics for the new Millennium" at the D.D. Kosambi Festival of Ideas in Panaji, Goa, India on February 7, 2011

JH: The art of loving yourself is very difficult. I thought that I love too much myself, but chakra picture shows, that my second and fourth chakras are leaking, because I don't love myself enough.


DL: When we wish and seek to help others, our attitude is more positive and relationships become easier. We are less afraid and have less anxiety. Otherwise we remain shy and hesitant, and feel the need to take a thousand precautions before we approach people. When our intentions are good, we have greater self-confidence and are stronger. This is how we learn to understand how precious and valuable kindness is.

JH: Thank you. I thought, that I love myself too much, but my chakra picture tells me, that I don't love enough myself. That's why I have been hesitant approaching people. Tai Situ says, that energy is the power of mind. The more calm and empty mind, the more powerful mind.


DL: See if paying attention to the nature of the mind early in the morning makes your mind more alert throughout the day. Your thoughts certainly will be more tranquil. The conceptual mind that runs on thinking of good things, bad things, and so forth will get a rest. A little non-conceptuality can provide a much-needed vacation.

JH: The whole society is a huge concept, which our egos have done for themselves.


DL:  I am convinced that human nature is basically affectionate and good. If our behavior follows our kind and loving nature, immense benefits will result, not only for ourselves, but also for the society to which we belong. I generally refer to this sort of love and affection as a universal religion. Everyone needs it, believers as much as non-believers. This attitude constitutes the very basis of morality.

JH: That love is in every religion. But ego does everything, that we cannot find that love, because it is the end of ego.


DL: Everyone can understand from natural experience and common sense that affection is crucial from the day of birth; it is the basis of life. The very survival of our body requires the affection of others, to whom we also respond with affection. Though mixed with attachment, this affection is not based on physical or sexual attraction, so it can be extended to all living beings without bias.

JH: And there are no need for army, police, social systems, prisons... The worsening problems in western economic systems changes the values more and more away from money. And at the same time the nature shows its power, it is still more powerful than the society systems of western world. Also the worsening pollution changes values.


DL: The nature of the mind is such that if certain mental qualities are developed on a sound basis, they not only remain, but they also increase. In fact, once properly developed, the mind's good qualities eventually increase indefinitely. Therefore spiritual practice brings us long-term happiness and inner strength.

JH: As a religion Buddhism means searching those good qualities of mind - the happiness, which is in the minds of every people. The question is to search the inner happiness by removing the obstacles; feelings, experiences traumas etc. And on the other hand to develop the good qualities of mind, as DL wrote.


DL: Study and practice are both very important, but they must go hand in hand. Faith without knowledge is not sufficient. Faith needs to be supported by reason. However intellectual understanding that is not applied in practice is also of little use. Whatever we learn from study we need to apply sincerely in our daily lives.

JH: There are practitioners whose practice is in heaven, but they are in hell. They don't know, that the life is the main practice. Other practices only help to understand life. And that is the reason to make changes in life. Often the main emphases are the purity of lineage, not to make Dharma more under stable to western people. I often use Your words: Buddhism is the science of the mind.


DL: Spirituality concerns our own motivation, while secular activity implies working in the world. Because motivation pervades all action, it is important that we have a positive motivation. Whatever we are involved in, whether it's politics, education, medicine, law, engineering, science, business or industry, the nature of our motivation determines the character of our work.

JH: Sometimes the motivation of ego to become enlighten is so powerful so that to become enlighten is not possible.


This meeting with His Holiness the Dalai Lama will be a dialogue between contemplative scholars, activists and ecological scientists that will discuss the interconnection between individual choices and environmental consequences.

JH: The western science comes all the time closer to the Dharma. That is one of the main reasons, why I am Buddhist. I use often your words: "Buddhism is the science of mind". And: "If the science and religion are in conflict, then we have to change the religion".


DL:  It is time to develop a big ‘US’, rather than the old ‘us and them’ that lets us to exploit and bully others on a personal level, and on an international level to wage war. The East must see the West as part of ‘US’ and the North must come to feel that the South is part of ‘US’. We should include the entire world in our concern, wishing all humanity well. If we can do that there will be no room for hatred, thinking of others as enemies. And we will achieve this through education, not through prayer.

JH: The primary wisdom unites US. Everyone have possibility to find it. It only needs that we all educate us. First in personal level and later in the community level. Also Christians can find it withe help of meditation.

DL: Love, kindness, compassion and tolerance are qualities common to all the great religions, and whether or not we follow any particular religious tradition, the benefits of love and kindness are obvious to anyone.

JH:The better the original teachings of Jesus and Buddha etc have remained, the more love and compassion are at present. The biggest problem is that man (meaning people, but most often they are men) has made the original teachings suitable for his values and for the values of his society. Then also science and religion don't share the same truths. The only problem is that values and societies changes all the time. The biggest forger is to say that God demand to kill. I am very happy, that our main aims are love, kindness, compassion and tolerance - Buddha's original teachings.

I could be enlighten, if I could love in some coming life every people like I love my grandchild.

DL: Anger cannot be overcome by anger. If someone is angry with you, and you show anger in return, the result is a disaster. On the other hand, if you control your anger and show its opposite – love, compassion, tolerance and patience – not only will you remain peaceful, but the other person's anger will also diminish.

JH: Ask the wife of an enlighten man, how enlighten he is? Welcome to Finland Yuor Highness